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 on: March 28, 2018, 03:22:05 PM 
Started by Kidperry - Last post by WK
I'll second the comments regarding John Taylor and the quality of his work!  He did a hammer repair for me a number of years ago and his repair was so good that unless you knew it was there it would go unnoticed.  He was also very reasonable price wise.

 on: March 18, 2018, 04:34:05 PM 
Started by Travis Morse - Last post by Travis Morse
In the last couple weeks, I've had a hammer repaired by John Taylor in Washington.  Great work if anyone needs their hammer spurs fixed.  I had the broken piece so that helped.  He also made a couple of very nice followers but the cartridges are still hanging up on the triangular boss on the backside of the loading gate.  My newly fitted and tempered Dixie Gun Works blank as well as an original 44-40 that I've put good spring back into also had this occur.  Before I go filing on the triangular boss I would like to see a good picture of the inside of a 44-40's follower in relation to the loading gate boss and carrier block.  If anyone has a picture from top down showing the amount the follower should protrude into the action  I would be very grateful.  Thanks for the help.   

 on: March 18, 2018, 04:58:58 AM 
Started by Kidperry - Last post by Travis Morse
Don't part it out yet!   Dixie has recently had the loading gates again.  Must have been hiding somewhere a year ago as they were out then and back in stock a couple months ago when I bought a couple and did end up fitting one to work.  What I'm still trying to figure out is how to get the follower to sit just right on the triangular boss behind the gate.   It seems to be a fine line between a single shot and repeater based on these two items interacting properly.   The loading gate blanks at Dixie are just that, blanks.  The hard part is done but there is still a couple hours or more of careful needle file and fine polishing to get them to fit perfect.  Then a heat treatment, tempering and she's ready to go.  I'm using mine without the scallop cut as my biggest ball end mill cutter is 7/16" and I think the 5/8" ball is about right.  On my long list of things to do but I want a shooter before a perfect specimen.   One last thing, for all the folks out there with broken spurs on their hammers, I've recently had John Taylor at Taylor Machine in Washington repair a broken spur and half cock notch on one of my 44-40s.  Johns work is very nice.   After my hammer gets re-case hardened today I suspect the repair to be nearly un-noticeable.   Mr Taylor also reproduced the magazine follower for the 44-40 Kennedy so there is another way to get these old girls sputtering again.  I am on a mission to figure out how to post pictures today so keep an eye out for pictures to follow.   

 on: March 17, 2018, 05:38:04 PM 
Started by Travis Morse - Last post by Travis Morse
I found what looked like a pretty nice 3rd model Burgess on Gb.  Indeed the rifle is very nice to look at.   After carefully going over it with hoppe's and brass bristle brushes, q-tips and countless hours of detail cleaning it is pretty close to clean.  Wood is very nice as is the bore.  Only real gripe is it seems to have a Kennedy bottom plate and hammer.  Screw as well for the spring as the one in there is ground down and cold blued over at one point in it's life.  The original number on the replacement bottom plate was ground off and new numbers stamped to match the rest of the rifle.  Not sure if shenanigans were intended or not,  just my observations so far.  Several screws seem to be replacements and cold blued over after somewhat amateurish buggered-slot repair.  The carrier block repair is also amateur and incomplete.  The shaping around the forward part has not been completed for some reason and sometimes hangs up the magazine follower.  If anyone has a picture of the front section of the carrier block it would be a great help so I can finish/fix what was started.   
  The gun was advertised as fine and I paid the buy it now price based on the pictures which did not show the inside just described as fine.  The replacement parts were not mentioned and I would be curious on how to approach the seller with this.    He seemed a nice fellow with an excellent rating on GB.  The story on the gun was that it was acquired by a doctor in Wenatchee Washington in the 60's who kept it until selling about a decade ago to the fellow I bought it from. I've got it cycling pretty smoothly but it is hanging up about midstroke and I'm still fiddling with the dykem to find out the culprit.  I think the roughly made replacement ejector is part of binding.   Also, the loading gate seems a bit too blue to be original to the gun but there is indeed quite a bit of original blue remaining in protected spots and most remains on the barrel although is slowly trying to change to blue/brown. Let me figure out the picture posting technique here and I'll get to sharing some pictures of my now growing Whitneyville collection.  


    This is a link to a photo of this rifle and other 3 Kennedys.      

and this one...   https://s20.postimg.org/si0o8upd9/DSC07637.jpg
 Because it was concealed in the auction and the fact I do indeed still love the rifle and intend to keep it.  So how much value is lost from the Kennedy bottom plate, rough carrier repair, rough ejector replacement, Kennedy Hammer and incorrect mainspring and misc screws?  Any help will be greatly appreciated and hopefully will help to get a partial refund on this purchase.  Thanks,

 on: March 15, 2018, 03:56:09 PM 
Started by Kidperry - Last post by WK
As Rich N said, parts not easy to generally.  Dixie is about out of most of the hard to find items, but do have some screws and other small items.  Not sure where to find a loading gate other than off a parts gun.  The large caliber gate will not fit a small caliber or visa versa.  With a 28 inch barrel it is likely that you have a 45-60 or maybe a 40-60, both of which are considered large caliber.  Other large caliber rifles would be 45-75 or a rarely encountered 50-95, both of which would be a great find.  Some small caliber guns were shipped with special order 28" barrels.  One way to tell is that the large caliber frame will have a second screw just near the screw that attaches the loading gate on the right side of the receiver.  There is some wood (new stuff) sometimes offered on ebay and sometimes on Gunbroker, not sure that is for large caliber frames though. If nothing else the rifle sould be parted out as there are always guys looking for parts.

 on: December 27, 2017, 12:13:52 PM 
Started by Kidperry - Last post by Rich N
 Welcome to the forum Kidperry. Parts for the Whitney Kennedy are a bit tough to come by, but they can be had with a little bit of patience. Searching ebay and Gunbroker, along with checking with Dixie Gun Works are probably your best bets for parts.

 on: December 22, 2017, 09:07:50 PM 
Started by Kidperry - Last post by Kidperry
I bought a whitney kennedy loop rifle seriel s7**  barrel length 28 round not sure of caliberit is missing some screws and the piece that covers hole where you load it. Condition is rough, has a couple broken pieces on stock and missing wood forearm grip. Buttplate is in good condition with complete opening door.
I would post a picture but not sure how. Message me if interested and i can text or email pix to you!

Thanks for letting me on this forum!

 on: October 07, 2017, 04:42:31 AM 
Started by Travis Morse - Last post by Travis Morse
I do have access to a lathe just would need the dimensions of the original if you have them.  That would be great if just the spring follower turned my single shot into an assault rifle from 1881. 

 on: September 30, 2017, 08:53:01 AM 
Started by Travis Morse - Last post by WK
If you can get access to an original follower and a lathe a functional follower can be made fairly easily.  I have done this in the past and find that it works pretty well.  It is not a hard part to make that any machinist should be  able to crank out pretty quickly.

 on: September 30, 2017, 07:21:30 AM 
Started by Travis Morse - Last post by Travis Morse
Ok, slugged my bore this morning.  Slugged my second Whitney as a reference as it has much less wear than the one I'm working on now.  Grooves are .432 with .425 lands.  I plan to order cast bullets if they are available in .433 or .434.  Groups now are terrible so I'm trying to save the Winchester factory ammo for the better barreled Whitney I havn't done too much with yet.  I look forward to shooting that one.  The gun's parts don't match so it will be a shooter only but the barrel is only marked Kennedy and the 44 CAL.C.F  and has much original bluing where the forearm and rear site was covered. Bore isn't perfect on this gun but it is pretty nice and grooves measure .432 with pretty sharp .428 lands. 
As for the Marlin 1889 magspring follower I am trying as a substitute it doesn't seem to be doing the trick.  Bullets are difficult to load as they are getting hung up at the diamond boss on the loading gate spring.  Not sure if a follower for an 1881 Marlin or another model could work.  Anyone cracked this code yet?  As fun as it is in single shot mode my gun needs a working magazine.  I've had my Whitneys gathering dust for the last week or two as chores were calling.  Still are but this weekend I wanted to at least get the lead and dies ordered and have a solution to the repeater mystery on follower choice.  Thanks for any and all help on getting these old guns running again.  Suspect these will be like my Vetterli's in that each gun needs it own brass and lead.

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